Jaffe, Rose, Scoble & Social Media Darwinism

This one might take a paragraph or two to set up, so bear with me here…

It all started with this post on Jaffe Juice a week or so ago, where Joseph Jaffe defended throwing so much ire towards Delta for completely and totally f’ing up a recent trip he took on the airline.  As someone versed in the ways of the power of social media, I thought it was a conflict of interest for him to be using his rather large soapbox and avid army of followers to demonstrate the heightened power of consumer feedback in a digital age.  I even commented on the post and called it a sort of extortion (though “coercion” is the word I was looking for).  To date I haven’t seen a response to that, but whatever.

Then this weekend I saw a silly little Tweet come across from Kevin Rose that I thought was fairly innocuous.

Fishing for followers seemed a bit below someone that should have a rather sizable online following but again, whatever.

A few mintues after that, I saw an entry hit Robert Scoble’s FriendFeed that just made me laugh.

And yes, he was referring to Rose’s Tweet, which immediately made me think of Scoble as the social media hall monitor a la Ralph Wiggum, a sentiment later shared by another commentor on his feed.

Then Steve Hall over at AdRants drove the point home today with his post on the Twitter vs. FriendFeed Debate, which brings me (finally) to my point:

Pundits and professionals are perpetrating more acts of idiocy than bigtime brands when it comes to leveraging the power of social media as they attempt to present their own personal brands online.  Their little tantrums, pissing matches and ego-stroking debates of “who has more followers than who” and creation of artificial rules of engagement are no more than juvenile and hamfisted attempts to be the coolest kid on the playground.  (And among geeks — a social set of which I proudly consider myself a member — there has to be some deep-seated psychological need for being perceived as a “cool kid” in an attempt to counter that prior social banishment of being labeled as a “geek” in the first place.)

When working with my clients, I’m going to start to cite these “experts” as specific examples of how NOT to go about managing a brand in online social spaces.  Here’s hoping that social media Darwinism will eventually begin to kick in.



11 Responses to “Jaffe, Rose, Scoble & Social Media Darwinism”

The Rose tweet seemed very apt - FF is a growing product and asking someone to add you, even if you’re super-big webguy, seems logical enough. He was far from ‘begging for followers’. Scoble’s narcissistic gravity field knows no bounds, and he’ll never shy from his perceived power. I actually think if him in a Constanza-esque light - whatever he says do the opposite and reap the benefits. This echo chamber will collapse at some-point, or at least that’s what I’m counting on.

jharr / Added on Monday, July 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

I am actually intending to respond to you, but I’ve been out the country on a mini-vacation and just got back, only to be hit with a pretty rough stomach flu.

Anyway, quick question….how am I being compared to Scoble and Rose and pissing matching between navel gazers?

Just to be clear, IN NO WAY am I abusing or even using my platform/size of audience for personal gain by berating Delta. I’m acting as one of their most valuable customers (paying business class) and loyal customers (Platinum medallion) who really was treated like shit…AND oh by the way, I have a blog.

Your logic is almost a little backwards if you’re saying that BECAUSE I have a large blog, I should refrain from doing, what - quite frankly - every consumer I write/speak about is doing.

Help me understand your logic.

And for the record, I am no Scoble and never will be. On many, many, many levels.

Joseph Jaffe / Added on Monday, July 7th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

I think that, until Joe-6-Pack joins Twitter and FF, that all this is for naught. Sure, the foundation can be poured, but until it’s mainstream these nuances do not matter. Facebook has been around for years, but only in the last year or so have moms, dads, uncles, etc, begun creating their profiles.

I have a twitter account. It sucks. Hasn’t worked on my BlackBerry for ages. It is down all the time. FF isn’t that much better, save a couple small features that I enjoy.

Anyway - I’m just saying. While to you and I, we care and it’s interesting. But take off the internet aficionado/account manager/social media glasses and you will see that this means actually very little.

Or does it? In actuality, right NOW is the time to make sure that the ground rules are laid and followed. These same little fights that only about 200 people around the world care about will ultimately be woven into the fabric that is “web 3.0″.

I’m not trying to belittle anything, and the case you make is as valid as any. All I merely think is ironic is that people get all in a huff (See Ariel’s fight with Twitter over anonymous posters) are the same ones that actually have a means to change it.

And change they need.

I can see my Dad using Facebook. I can NOT see him use Twitter and FF. Until that day, it doesn’t matter, as they will lose money and their venture capitalists will move on to the “next big thing”. (Meetthefamous.com, anyone?)

Genius / Added on Monday, July 7th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

This article brings up some great points, and I definitely have to agree that right now it seems like twitter and friend feed are the hottest chick on the cheer leading team. But I’d like to add my two cents if I may.

Perhaps some of what we are seeing the birth of an entirely new concept of our online life. We all have email, the ability to get online at the drop of a hat, but what is increasingly becoming popular is building that online identity in small niche markets. We are all doing it in one way or another, but we are using a collage of tools that hasn’t become standardized yet. now I’m not saying that I necessarily want them to centralize either, because with centralization comes the death of a niche market, or so I fear. When you look at people like Kevin Rose, Leo Laporte, or Jonathan Coulton, you find people who have become extremely well known in a small niche market. And without tools like twitter, friend feed, facebook and the like, these personalities simply wouldn’t exist.

As an IT Director of a large church in KC, I too have a niche market of people I share with on twitter and other tools. There is a growing collection of IT Directors in the United States who are beginning to know of each other through these tools, and sharing the wisdom of the technology that we are all using.

So in a nutshell I think some level of self promotion via the web regarding your professional career is good, and in fact healthy for anyone else in your field, but when we begin to spill into other areas, or seeing something from it of self interest, we have a real problem brewing.

Jim Edwards / Added on Monday, July 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

@Genius: When exploring new platforms and new technologies, you’re dead on — it’s easy to no longer see the forest for the trees. As for the venture capitalists, I don’t see their endorsement as anything more than a bet at a craps table. Of course, it’d be nice to be able have a few million dollars to bet with…

@Jim Edwards: You’re dancing around the same notion as I am — the balance of self-promotion with the reality that we’re all consumers with a third concept of professional ethics — but I haven’t quite found the right way to vocalize what I’m thinking. And I absolutely agree: as much as we look at Twitter and FriendFeed with a curious gaze, we do have to recognize that there is a very real community (or more accurately, communities) that have sprung up within those platforms.

JAK / Added on Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 at 10:30 am

@Joseph Jaffe: First off, thanks for stopping by. It’s great to see you that you’re monitoring your online brand (of course). Honestly, I didn’t expect the visit. Secondly, sorry to hear about your recent illness. Definitely sounds like a rough go.

To clarify my logic, the comparison I’m drawing between yourself, Kevin Rose and Robert Scoble is what I perceive as an unfortunate misuse of influence as it applies to your sizable personal communities of followers and the subsequent degrees of damage that has on your personal brands.

- Kevin Rose was fishing in his community to follow him from Twitter to FriendFeed in an attempt at “customer conversion.” No value proposition except for asserting his identity. Not necessarily offensive, just a non-creative way of doing it.

- Robert Scoble was bashing on Rose for this and at the same time trying to elevate his brand by denigrating Rose’s and making him an example in front of his own community. This was, of course, cloaked under the guise of being some sort of strange enforcement of social media best practices. That made Scoble look rather petty, in my opinion. Again, poor brand management.

- And in following the “Delta Skelter” saga on your blog, I believe you’re leveraging your personal community to take Delta to task in ways that very few “typical” consumers could ever accomplish, even those with blogs or other digital means to air their complaint. While you certainly have a right to be disgruntled and seek compensation, you’re also playing games by soliciting your community’s feedback on whether or not to “soldier on,” create a YouTube video, etc., in what is turning into a quest for retribution.

Your professional affiliations still seem to be a conflict of interest in my mind in this case even though you have prominently disclaimed your client relationship with American Airlines with every post you’ve made on the matter. However this still seems to be an awkward tightrope to be walking. I believe folks like Bob Garfield can get away with sort of stuff (Comcast Must Die) since they are taking a stance as a journalist/editorialist.

Now that Delta has reached out and offered what they believe is fair compensation (their opinion), you’ve rejected their offer (your right). So the staring contest continues and I believe your personal brand will begin to suffer in the process as you now seek preferential treatment that appears to be beyond the ability for Delta’s customer service folks to offer. (Interestingly enough, this is another point where you and a typical consumer start to part ways as a typical consumer doesn’t have much of a personal brand that can be damaged in these types of instances.)

Let me know if you still don’t feel like I’m articulating my logic clearly. I’m keeping an open mind here, so please help me understand your point of view.

JAK / Added on Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Personal brands are overrated :) I’m simply being a customer and demonstrating my dissatisfaction.

It’s almost unfair that I should be penalized BECAUSE I have a larger community. In actual fact, don’t ALL consumers have just as large a community, albeit an offline one.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not griping at all. Honestly, I couldn’t care about Delta anymore. I’m done being their customer. It’s over. I just felt it would be disingenuous to NOT blog about, considering I focus my efforts on those CONSUMERS who do.

One more thing…if I really wanted to abuse my “influence”, I would have contacted Delta privately and used this as a bargaining chip…which I most certainly did not do.

Joseph Jaffe / Added on Monday, July 21st, 2008 at 9:56 am

No need to dance on this point any further. I respect your point of view.

Here’s a question for you, though: do you get the feeling that Delta is treating you differently because of who you are and your given area of expertise? Or are they simply playing the role of the typical big bureaucratic brand that treats everyone with an equal level of disdain?

JAK / Added on Monday, July 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am

@JAK in reference to your last post, I think you hit the nail on the head. Delta has not treated Joseph any differently than they would any other customer (to their credit, they are sticking to their policy). However that is a significant part of the issue, are they treating their customers appropriately?

In my view, if people with influence are able to force change which ultimately results in better service for all customers, that seems to me like a good way to use said influence. If I had the influence, I would like to think I would use it in the same way, to profile situations where consumers are ultimately being wronged. On the other hand, it is also a great opportunity to showcase positive experiences, which I have also seen Joseph share.

Thorren Koopmans / Added on Monday, July 21st, 2008 at 3:36 pm

You want to see bad? Look at David Armano’s tweets. Jesus talk about a guy who really loves himself.

Bill Testien / Added on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Gentlemen:

If it weren’t for a “family” relationship I would never have seen this discussion. You are all part of a micro-media explosion that is so demographically limited that it influences only those who believe that it has an influence. In other words, only a blogger believes that blogging makes a difference in this world.

Furthermore, air travel is a commodity and not a brand. Delta couldn’t care less about a single flyer!

Carry on…

Dad / Added on Wednesday, July 23rd, 2008 at 10:24 am

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